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scottmerms, on 24 June 2010 - 08:33 AM, said:

its always been in september

That's because there has always been teams that have started in Europe the past few years VS the rest of the NHL, I'm pretty sure Orphans is correct when he says he read that the draft is on the last Sunday available before the seasons starts. I don't know how that matches up to the first game player in the 10-11 season however.

[Orphans]

Thanks -that is great.

[SoCalSharksGirl]

So just curious...

If a player has 40 some odd points in real life, what would that come to roughly in the pool? I'm just looking for a very general number hear to gauge what some of my players are worth in the grand scheme of things. :renske:

[LeaferSutherland]

SoCalSharksGirl, on 26 July 2010 - 01:09 AM, said:

So just curious...

If a player has 40 some odd points in real life, what would that come to roughly in the pool? I'm just looking for a very general number hear to gauge what some of my players are worth in the grand scheme of things. :renske:

It all depends. +/- helps, PP points help, GWG, etc.

[Twiggy]

Yeah the +/- is generally what makes it hard to figure out the exact number, but you would generally find that a 40point player in life will have roughly 70-80 LSHL points. Each time they score a goal/assist they get 1 point for it, plus either a +1 or a point for a PPG/A. So in reality every point is worth 2, but if they have a terrible +/- it eats into the total

[SoCalSharksGirl]

Twiggy, on 25 July 2010 - 10:41 PM, said:

Yeah the +/- is generally what makes it hard to figure out the exact number, but you would generally find that a 40point player in life will have roughly 70-80 LSHL points. Each time they score a goal/assist they get 1 point for it, plus either a +1 or a point for a PPG/A. So in reality every point is worth 2, but if they have a terrible +/- it eats into the total

Thanks, and that's kinda what I figured too I just wanted to make sure.

[scottmerms]

Twiggy, on 26 July 2010 - 01:41 AM, said:

Yeah the +/- is generally what makes it hard to figure out the exact number, but you would generally find that a 40point player in life will have roughly 70-80 LSHL points. Each time they score a goal/assist they get 1 point for it, plus either a +1 or a point for a PPG/A. So in reality every point is worth 2, but if they have a terrible +/- it eats into the total

unless he sucks, then he could have more like 30 points

[Twiggy]

Yup very true. Havlat last year was horrible with that for me. Scored a decent amount of points, but his +/- negated most of it

[Money]

Random question: Can we make trades for "future considerations"?

This is done in the NHL, and could be useful this time of year.

Also, I don't specifically recall the reasoning behind only allowing us to trade the upcoming years draft picks. If it is a matter of book-keeping, I volunteer to keep track of the picks for future years. I understand not allowing alllllllll draft picks to be traded, but if 2-3 years worth of picks can be traded, I don't see the harm in it.

[Craig Simpson]

Money, on 04 August 2010 - 01:43 PM, said:

Random question: Can we make trades for "future considerations"?

This is done in the NHL, and could be useful this time of year.

Also, I don't specifically recall the reasoning behind only allowing us to trade the upcoming years draft picks. If it is a matter of book-keeping, I volunteer to keep track of the picks for future years. I understand not allowing alllllllll draft picks to be traded, but if 2-3 years worth of picks can be traded, I don't see the harm in it.

The discussion around this last time was the concern of someone trading away the next two years worth of draft picks to stock up their team for a run at the money and then ditching their team after the season and have someone new come in to a stripped team with no draft picks for the foreseeable future. I'm not sure how valid it is, because one would assume the players coming back were decent enough, but gutting the draft picks and handcuffing a future owner was one of the concerns. I think if we can get through a season with virtually everyone staying on board, these things open up more.

[Tamby]

Money, on 04 August 2010 - 02:43 PM, said:

Random question: Can we make trades for "future considerations"?

This is done in the NHL, and could be useful this time of year.

Also, I don't specifically recall the reasoning behind only allowing us to trade the upcoming years draft picks. If it is a matter of book-keeping, I volunteer to keep track of the picks for future years. I understand not allowing alllllllll draft picks to be traded, but if 2-3 years worth of picks can be traded, I don't see the harm in it.

I think the main reason it was kept out of the LSHL in previous years was that, aside from bookkeeping issues, there was some concern about existing GMs selling off future assets in efforts to win now, then abandoning the league, which would leave future owners screwed for drafting and such for years to come.

I like the current system because it's easy to follow and limits the potential liability to approximately 1 year or less.


*edit* Or what CraigSimpson said.

This point has been edited by Tamby: 04 August 2010 - 02:55 PM

[Money]

Craig Simpson, on 04 August 2010 - 12:53 PM, said:

The discussion around this last time was the concern of someone trading away the next two years worth of draft picks to stock up their team for a run at the money and then ditching their team after the season and have someone new come in to a stripped team with no draft picks for the foreseeable future. I'm not sure how valid it is, because one would assume the players coming back were decent enough, but gutting the draft picks and handcuffing a future owner was one of the concerns. I think if we can get through a season with virtually everyone staying on board, these things open up more.

Tamby, on 04 August 2010 - 12:54 PM, said:

I think the main reason it was kept out of the LSHL in previous years was that, aside from bookkeeping issues, there was some concern about existing GMs selling off future assets in efforts to win now, then abandoning the league, which would leave future owners screwed for drafting and such for years to come.

I like the current system because it's easy to follow and limits the potential liability to approximately 1 year or less.


*edit* Or what CraigSimpson said.

I understand those concerns, but isn't that also something faced in the NHL? I think now that we have expansion taken care of, not having draft picks, but having better players is fine. Having no draft picks hurt a lot more when you had to worry about filling your holes due to expansion.

I know the point of this league is to simulate being an NHL GM as closely as possible, and this is one place where we have the ability to simulate that, but are not doing it. I think if you limit it to the next year only, it wouldn't be a huge issue. If you opened it up to all picks you could get something stupid (the next 5 first round picks for Crosby, etc), but one year allows us a little more flexibility when you are trying to stock up in a specific year. NHL teams use this strategy all the time, and it is taken away from us.

[pantsboyusa]

Money, on 04 August 2010 - 02:59 PM, said:

I understand those concerns, but isn't that also something faced in the NHL? I think now that we have expansion taken care of, not having draft picks, but having better players is fine. Having no draft picks hurt a lot more when you had to worry about filling your holes due to expansion.

I know the point of this league is to simulate being an NHL GM as closely as possible, and this is one place where we have the ability to simulate that, but are not doing it. I think if you limit it to the next year only, it wouldn't be a huge issue. If you opened it up to all picks you could get something stupid (the next 5 first round picks for Crosby, etc), but one year allows us a little more flexibility when you are trying to stock up in a specific year. NHL teams use this strategy all the time, and it is taken away from us.

There are many other things NHL GM's have to deal with that we don't. Free agency, a salary cap, coaching staffs, flying monkeys, etc., etc. I don't see people clamoring to get those things added. I think things are fine the way they are.

[Money]

pantsboyusa, on 04 August 2010 - 01:24 PM, said:

There are many other things NHL GM's have to deal with that we don't. Free agency, a salary cap, coaching staffs, flying monkeys, etc., etc. I don't see people clamoring to get those things added. I think things are fine the way they are.

That is why I said "this is one place where we have the ability to simulate that, but are not doing it." Making ridiculous statements like "flying monkeys" makes my question sound stupid and unreasonable, which it clearly is not.

The other stuff you mentioned, there is no way to easily implement them. Allowing the next years picks to be traded would be extremely simple to do, and I have already volunteered to do all the legwork to make it happen. It would not complicate anything for anyone already playing, only add more possibilities to trade discussions. It might take away from someone entering the league at a later date, but shouldn't the experience for those in the league already take precedence over that?

[srotaneS]

Also, it's not like people won't be getting value for the future picks being traded...

If I were to deal my next two 1st round picks for a top line center, my team still has that center when my quit the league and someone else takes over.

I see zero issue with it, especially considering Money offered to manage it.

[Holliday]

I like the idea.

[Twiggy]

yeah i tried to get this in a few months back - i'm still for it

[srotaneS]

hmmm... apparently not so crazy.

[manovrboard]

As long as there is a clear cut way for it to be managed, someone to manage it, and a way for people to access the records, I see no problem with it.

If Money has volunteered his services, I'm sure he has a way to organize it in mind, and it doesn't take much to post the updates in a thread.

I'm down with it.

[lookche]

also registering my agreeance with the idea.