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#1 ONLINE   **LS**

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:30 PM

Since we haven't had a whole lot to do in here over the past while, I am inviting all of you to a negotiating table to go over some of the rules that might be subject to change in the real-world NHL that we might want to be prepared for in this league.

I open the floor to anyone with an opinion, an idea or a concern to bring up and discuss.
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#2 OFFLINE   Bubba83

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:14 AM

If no season happens this year, we don't need to comply to the roster limits until next year right?
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:49 AM

If the cap gets sliced in a horrible way, are we really only getting 48 hours to find a solution?
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:30 AM

If the cap gets sliced in a horrible way, are we really only getting 48 hours to find a solution?


That is a good question.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 07:43 PM

5.1. General. - Each team is allowed one standard free agent signing of their choosing during the season between the time the first puck is dropped in the NHL and the LSHA Trade Deadline. Further compensatory free agents can be picked up, but only in the event that an owner has one of his players retire, or join a rival pro league such as the KHL. No free agent pick up may be under the age of 25 at the time of the signing.

I'd like to understand the reasoning a bit better for the restriction of players needing to be 25+ years of age in order to be eligible for free agent signing. In the NHL if a player goes undrafted they can be signed by any team before the age of 25. Is there a reason those players are only made eligible again for the next years draft?
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:45 PM

If the cap gets sliced in a horrible way, are we really only getting 48 hours to find a solution?


I am curious about this as well.
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:29 AM

If no season happens, we just dole out the money to the same people of course?
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:11 AM

I'd like to understand the reasoning a bit better for the restriction of players needing to be 25+ years of age in order to be eligible for free agent signing. In the NHL if a player goes undrafted they can be signed by any team before the age of 25. Is there a reason those players are only made eligible again for the next years draft?


Not to speak for LS' intentions in this league, but the LSHL had no age restriction at first and it was a disaster. No age restriction on free agent signings completely changed the way UFA signings were used and it ended up taking away a whole bunch of players who should have been available in the next years draft. This comprises a basic lack of fairness, as a few teams that were pretty good ended up signing guys like Mike Green, David Perron, etc., when they should have been early round picks in the next draft. Instead of going to a bottom feeding team, they went to the first team to notice a youngster sticking in the NHL.

And the comparison to the NHL is not particularly apt. The NHL has a much deeper draft and they have a reserve list that allows them to draft and hang onto many players before deciding whether to sign them or not. It is a longshot that any undrafted player makes the NHL. The LSHL is filled with players who were not drafted to an LSHL team in their first year of eligibility.
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:41 PM

If no season happens this year, we don't need to comply to the roster limits until next year right?

Correct.

If the cap gets sliced in a horrible way, are we really only getting 48 hours to find a solution?

I cannot foresee a way that the cap will get slashed in a horrible way, that will have negative effect on actual NHL players that we will be forced to reenact. If we get a partial season in, I'll more than likely have a week to play things by ear, but I will do my best to replicate what is being done in the real world when it comes to cap figures.

If no season happens, we just dole out the money to the same people of course?

If no season occurs, we will simply forget than any paypal transactions were ever made and everyone can pay me all over again.......... I'm kidding.

Seriously though, everyone will instantly get locked in for the following year.

Not to speak for LS' intentions in this league, but the LSHL had no age restriction at first and it was a disaster. No age restriction on free agent signings completely changed the way UFA signings were used and it ended up taking away a whole bunch of players who should have been available in the next years draft. This comprises a basic lack of fairness, as a few teams that were pretty good ended up signing guys like Mike Green, David Perron, etc., when they should have been early round picks in the next draft. Instead of going to a bottom feeding team, they went to the first team to notice a youngster sticking in the NHL.

And the comparison to the NHL is not particularly apt. The NHL has a much deeper draft and they have a reserve list that allows them to draft and hang onto many players before deciding whether to sign them or not. It is a longshot that any undrafted player makes the NHL. The LSHL is filled with players who were not drafted to an LSHL team in their first year of eligibility.

Money sums it up, pretty much. Free agency in the real world is limited to veteran players, while the draft is catered to the young. We are simply trying to replicate that process.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:33 PM

What happens with the draft order if there is no season?
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:34 PM

Also, can I add the players I drafted this summer to my fantrax roster?
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:56 PM

What happens with the draft order if there is no season?


Pretty sure it'll stand as is. Which i understand, but man that's going to burn me. Traded my 1st expecting it to be mid-round, not #7!
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:05 PM

New managers locked out in their first season as GM would get the top draft picks - right? :whistling:
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 05:56 PM

What happens with the draft order if there is no season?

Order stays the same.

Also, can I add the players I drafted this summer to my fantrax roster?

I'll be getting to that in the near future.

New managers locked out in their first season as GM would get the top draft picks - right? :whistling:

In this league, we're all relatively new.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:47 PM

What happens with the draft order if there is no season?



Order stays the same.


Does the draft order stay the same? Or will the next draft be based off of last seasons standings?

Aka will there be another draft lottery?
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:33 PM

The draft order will stay the same since no actual rules were put in writing in regards to a locked out season.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:14 PM

The draft order will stay the same since no actual rules were put in writing in regards to a locked out season.


That is fairly frustrating.

If there are no rules in place for it, why is this the decision that was made for the draft?
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:45 AM

That is fairly frustrating.

If there are no rules in place for it, why is this the decision that was made for the draft?


What would your alternative be?
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:29 AM

What would your alternative be?


Redo the lottery. I don't understand how it makes sense or is fair for the teams that won one lottery to basically win/lose two lotteries.

I'm obviously being selfish here, but I don't see how or why this is the default way of doing it. There is no rule on the book, and usually in that case we mimic the NHL. I understand that we can't exactly do that here as we don't have the previous history to use the same method the NHL would. But just rolling over the entire draft, instead of just rolling over the season doesn't make any more sense than any other option.

Or do a full weighted lottery of the entire league (similar to what the NHL would do, but just base it on last season).

For example, start at 25% for the 30th place team, then work backwards, dividing the previous odds by 1.33333. This would go 30th - 25%, 29th - 18.75%, 28th 14.06%, 27th 10.55%, all the way down to 1st - 0.01%. Then run that through a lottery number generator and create a full 1-30 draft order based on those odds. Every team has a shot at the 1st overall pick, but the odds are stacked for the worse teams.

This point has been edited by Money: 03 December 2012 - 10:35 AM

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:21 AM

Redo the lottery. I don't understand how it makes sense or is fair for the teams that won one lottery to basically win/lose two lotteries.

I'm obviously being selfish here, but I don't see how or why this is the default way of doing it. There is no rule on the book, and usually in that case we mimic the NHL. I understand that we can't exactly do that here as we don't have the previous history to use the same method the NHL would. But just rolling over the entire draft, instead of just rolling over the season doesn't make any more sense than any other option.

Or do a full weighted lottery of the entire league (similar to what the NHL would do, but just base it on last season).

For example, start at 25% for the 30th place team, then work backwards, dividing the previous odds by 1.33333. This would go 30th - 25%, 29th - 18.75%, 28th 14.06%, 27th 10.55%, all the way down to 1st - 0.01%. Then run that through a lottery number generator and create a full 1-30 draft order based on those odds. Every team has a shot at the 1st overall pick, but the odds are stacked for the worse teams.



That model gets my vote
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