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[Mitch Pressley]

With Bettman batting 1.000 with a work stoppage at the end of every CBA how much longer will he be the Commish and if he is let go who fires him Daly or thew owners?

[CoyoteQ]

Bettman will be the commish for the foreseeable future and a long, long time to come.

[Mitch Pressley]

So unless we have a neverending CBA then we well have many more lockouts

[CoyoteQ]

So unless we have a neverending CBA then we well have many more lockouts

lol...possibly.

[Shakes]

So unless we have a neverending CBA then we well have many more lockouts

I dunno- this lockout could have been avoided, or severely shortened if his bargaining partner wasn't a deadline chaser.

[Old School Hockey]

I dunno- this lockout could have been avoided, or severely shortened if his bargaining partner wasn't a deadline chaser.

Could have been shorter if the NHL actually bargained instead of demanding!

[Shakes]

Could have been shorter if the NHL actually bargained instead of demanding!

They were forced to demand when the NHLPA ignored every proposal they offered. Even the first ridiculous ofer could have been negotiated from......

[Old School Hockey]

They were forced to demand when the NHLPA ignored every proposal they offered. Even the first ridiculous ofer could have been negotiated from......

And first nhlpa offer could have been negotiated from!

See how that works?

[**LS**]

The NHLPA has had 4 different directors in the past 8 years and yet it is the side that employs Bettman that is having the problem?

Personally, I think Bettman would step down long before he was ever canned. And I don't see that happening unless he is given a better opportunity elsewhere.

[Craig Simpson]

If they get the 8/10 length of CBA, I don't think we see Gary back for another CBA expiration. That would put him between 68 and 70. While for someone in that position that isn't "too old" it just might be that he'd have had enough after running the league for 25 years at age 65.

[Steelwool]

The NHLPA has had 4 different directors in the past 8 years and yet it is the side that employs Bettman that is having the problem?

Personally, I think Bettman would step down long before he was ever canned. And I don't see that happening unless he is given a better opportunity elsewhere.

And that's exactly why I feel he is to blame in large part. He is the one consistent during the labour difficulties. Losing over 10 per cent of the games to lockout during his tenure is not something to be proud of.

[**LS**]

And that's exactly why I feel he is to blame in large part. He is the one consistent during the labour difficulties. Losing over 10 per cent of the games to lockout during his tenure is not something to be proud of.

The one consistent during these past 8 years is that the PA is a mess with no real established leadership of any kind.

If they cannot keep themselves happy, I don't know how you would expect Bettman or the owners to.

[Old School Hockey]

The one consistent during these past 8 years is that the PA is a mess with no real established leadership of any kind.

If they cannot keep themselves happy, I don't know how you would expect Bettman or the owners to.

If it was not for a million dollar gag order I think we'd see the true feeling of the owners!

[Steelwool]

The one consistent during these past 8 years is that the PA is a mess with no real established leadership of any kind.

If they cannot keep themselves happy, I don't know how you would expect Bettman or the owners to.

Not true. It was Bettman's mandate during the last CBA lockout to break the union, which he did successfully. Obviously, from that point, there would be little leadership until they found someone. Which they did. For the past couple of years, the NHLPA has had very real and strong leadership.
But if Bettman receives credit for expansion of the game, which many feel he deserves, he also must take "credit" for 3 lockouts under his leadership, causing the league to lose 10% of the scheduled games under his leadership.
No other commisioner of any sport can claim that distinction.

[thecoffeecake]

I was always anti Bettman, and still am because of the post lockout game, but this is not Bettman's fault. You have a players association completely unwilling to sign a reasonable labor contract. They're going to make professional hockey financially unviable on this continent at some point.

[Shakes]

And first nhlpa offer could have been negotiated from!

See how that works?

no it couldn't- see how a lockout works?

[Shakes]

Not true. It was Bettman's mandate during the last CBA lockout to break the union, which he did successfully.

It was Bettman's mandate to link salaries to revenue- getting rid of Goodenow was simply a byproduct.

[Long John]

Not true. It was Bettman's mandate during the last CBA lockout to break the union, which he did successfully. Obviously, from that point, there would be little leadership until they found someone. Which they did. For the past couple of years, the NHLPA has had very real and strong leadership.

I disagree here. I don't see Don Fehr as a strong leader, just a pig-headed negotiator. He's reasonably good at getting what he wants for the players in a current negotiation. His long-term vision leaves much to be desired, IMO.

The players and owners are both at fault here. Frankly, there's no one neutral party with enough power to mediate these two sides and create agreements that are in the best interest of the game. At the risk of repeating myself, the commissioner's office of any sport should be that neutral party, not a crony of the owners.

This point has been edited by Long John: 02 January 2013 - 08:29 AM

[Old School Hockey]

I disagree here. I don't see Don Fehr as a strong leader, just a pig-headed negotiator. He's reasonably good at getting what he wants for the players in a current negotiation. His long-term vision leaves much to be desired, IMO.

The players and owners are both at fault here. Frankly, there's no one neutral party with enough power to mediate these two sides and create agreements that are in the best interest of the game. At the risk of repeating myself, the commissioner's office of any sport should be that neutral party, not a crony of the owners.

Mr. Vincent you know an actual commissioner that has dealt with Fehr disagrees.

[Shakes]

Mr. Vincent you know an actual commissioner that has dealt with Fehr disagrees.

lol- great you found 1 person to support your argument. albeit the guy only had the job for 3 years....


But I actually think Fehr is a very good leader even though I disagree with his position. He has galvanized this group of players beyond what I would have ever imagined even to their potential detriment. It takes a very good leader to keep 700 people in synch, especially when 200 of them won't benefit from what he is doing.