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[blackoutdallas]

The Dallas Stars have apparently traded Micheal Ryder to Montreal for Erik Cole. Word is that MTL also gets a pick.....

[damned]

Dominoes are falling now.

[blackoutdallas]

3rd round pick per Heika going to MTL as well.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[blackoutdallas]

Joe needs to be taken out back and shot.......

[The Hockey Writers]

Tuesday evening, the Dallas Stars sent a bit of a shockwave through hockey newswires with the announcement of a trade.

MTL trades Erik Cole to DAL for Michael Ryder.
— Bob McKenzie (@TSNBobMcKenzie) February 26, 2013

Michael Ryder, he of 35 goals last season, is being shipped back to Montreal, along with a third round pick in the 2013 NHL Draft, for Erik Cole, a former 35-goal scorer in his own right.
On the surface, the trade may puzzle some Stars fans. Dallas is 18th in the NHL in goals per game, and just traded its co-leading scorer, along with a draft pick, for a guy who has only six points in 19 games this season. Ryder seemed comfortable in Dallas, posting one of the best seasons of his career in 2011-12 with 35 goals and 62 points, and was just hitting his stride this season with three assists Monday night against Nashville.
But, despite first impressions, this trade does make sense for the Stars. After an offseason where the Stars got ‘smaller’ up front, they add a little bit of bulk in Cole who has 43 hits to Ryder’s 19. While their 2013 seasons have been remarkably different in terms of point production, Cole still boasts a similar offensive upside to Ryder. During the past two seasons, he has posted 113 points in 164 games, compared to 103 points in 161 games for Ryder.

Erik Cole traded to Dallas (Kevin Hoffman-USA TODAY Sports)
There is also the issue of contracts. While Cole is two years older than Ryder at 34, he is under contract for two more years at $4 million per season. While that number is slightly more than the $3.5 million Ryder makes, Dallas is a team that is still well bellow the salary cap.
Ryder, on the other hand, is an unrestricted free agent following the season. With his successful 2011-12 season, as well as his good start this season, he is a guy who will likely have multiple bidders in the offseason. When push comes to shove, there is no guarantee he would want to remain in Dallas, a team that has missed the playoffs four straight years.
The bottom line here is how this trade pans out depends on how each player responds to new situations. Ryder began his career in Montreal and had several good years there.
Cole, on the other hand, had a rough start to this year after a successful first year with the Canadiens. During the lockout, he made some comments about how he planned to retire after the season because of the developments of the CBA. The fact that Dallas added a 3rd round pick to a trade for two seemingly equal players likely won’t please too many fans.
Perhaps a fresh start is something he needs to get back on track. However, the only other time he played for a Western Conference team, in 2008-09 with Edmonton, he lasted less than a season before being shipped back to Carolina. Stars fans can only hope this western trek turns out a little better.
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[Deezy]

Joe needs to be taken out back and shot.......

Was going to ask your thoughts but this seems to answer it all.

 

I think Montreal wins in a straight swap of the two but too throw in the 3rd makes no sense whatsoever.

[**LS**]

Cole is finished, if you ask me.

 

This time I'm in on the Joe bashing.

[Xcal97]

Fire everyone yesterday.

[Xcal97]

Joe clearly has no concept of how to value his assets. None at all.

 

Maybe Ryder was going to be allowed to leave after the year. But even if that's true, to pretend like we just got something for nothing is a complete falsehood. The opportunity cost of whomever or whatever you could have gotten for him at the deadline is still omnipresent whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

 

Montreal makes that trade even without the draft pick. How the HELL does Joe get fleeced this badly by a guy who's been a GM for exactly one month so far?

 

This cannot continue. Nieuwendyk just gives assets away as if they were nothing. I cannot even venture a guess at what this haphazardly thrown together team is supposed to be. This franchise has gone nowhere in the past five years and continues to do so. This has to change, and it has to change now.

[Tamby]

There is a reason why "Joe" is commonly a plumber and not a General Manager for a professional hockey team.

 

Ugh.

[DADDY AVALANCHE]

All that for size?

 

Damn..

[CrittersBuggin]

I echo pretty much what everyone on here has said.  *heads off to punch wall*

[damned]

All that for size?

 

Damn..

 

That's what it comes down to it seems.

[tonyd316sdmf]

I'm seriously two seconds away from quitting... "James Neal is too good... Let's trade him." "Ryder has been an awesome addition... We can't have that." $50 says Dillon is on the trading block sometime soon... There is no reason for us to have a good defenseman... Trade him off, and let's go pick up Chelios... I hear he still wants to play

 

Through last night:

Ryder: 32 years old, 14 points in 19 games on a so so team

Cole: 34 years old, 6 points in 19 games on a red hot team

 

So what MAYBE could have been a straight up trade, turns into us getting hosed again because we throw in a third rounder also... I'm going to start punching anyone and everyone I meet named Joe from here on out...

 

My pick for Joe's next move? Benn, Erikkson, and a fourth rounder to  LA for Clifford, and free items from the vending machine when visiting the Staples center...

[CrittersBuggin]

I def think Cole has the ability to contribute (for THIS season), possibly quite a bit more than we think, but this still doesn't make any sense on so many other levels... especially the age factor.  this guy isn't helping the future Dallas Stars.  

[damned]

I def think Cole has the ability to contribute (for THIS season), possibly quite a bit more than we think, but this still doesn't make any sense on so many other levels... especially the age factor.  this guy isn't helping the future Dallas Stars.  

 

I think he can still contribute as well, but anymore then Ryder was? It's still an odd trade.

[blackoutdallas]

Apparently Joe thinks he adds toughness and size........YOU TRADED ALL YOUR FREAKING TOUGH GUYS OR LET THEM LEAVE YOU ASSHAT!!!!

 

Ott, Fistric, Souray, Burish, and Morrow has almost no presence now. You did that. A 1-for-1 would be questionable. MTL was looking to move him and get cap space. We gave them what they wanted...and gave them a good pick. Sure you can say you wanted Cole for size and strength and that he is tied up for a couple of years. But now you have tied $4.5 million in cap space to an aging power forward. And at that you are buying that he is a top-six forward for at least two more seasons. 

[damned]

Apparently Joe thinks he adds toughness and size........YOU TRADED ALL YOUR FREAKING TOUGH GUYS OR LET THEM LEAVE YOU ASSHAT!!!!

 

Ott, Fistric, Souray, Burish, and Morrow has almost no presence now. You did that. A 1-for-1 would be questionable. MTL was looking to move him and get cap space. We gave them what they wanted...and gave them a good pick. Sure you can say you wanted Cole for size and strength and that he is tied up for a couple of years. But now you have tied $4.5 million in cap space to an aging power forward. And at that you are buying that he is a top-six forward for at least two more seasons. 

 

Hard to argue with that post.

[**LS**]

Joe clearly has no concept of how to value his assets. None at all.

 

Maybe Ryder was going to be allowed to leave after the year. But even if that's true, to pretend like we just got something for nothing is a complete falsehood. The opportunity cost of whomever or whatever you could have gotten for him at the deadline is still omnipresent whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

 

Montreal makes that trade even without the draft pick. How the HELL does Joe get fleeced this badly by a guy who's been a GM for exactly one month so far?

 

This cannot continue. Nieuwendyk just gives assets away as if they were nothing. I cannot even venture a guess at what this haphazardly thrown together team is supposed to be. This franchise has gone nowhere in the past five years and continues to do so. This has to change, and it has to change now.

 

Don't underestimate Bergevin. The guy fleeced 29 GMs at the last draft table.

[Xcal97]

UPDATE:

 

In 8 games with Montreal, Michael Ryder has 9 points.

 

In 7 games with Dallas Erik Cole has one goal and zero assists.

 

You may now light yourselves on fire.

This point has been edited by Xcal97: 17 March 2013 - 01:38 AM